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David Mcdonough's avatar

All I can say is "Yep." Not quite ready to embrace the non-faith, but I get quite disgusted with organized religions, present and past. (My wife and I don't discuss this much.)

I have always liked the Iris DeMent song, along with her "God may forgive you, but I don't."

Mark O'Leary's avatar

I was a life-long believer until I realized I had no good reason to hold my beliefs. I took some small comfort in agnosticism until someone pointed out to me that they are two entirely different things, "non-overlapping magisteria," to borrow Stephen Jay Gould's phrase. Theism-atheism is about belief; gnosticism-agnosticism is about knowledge. So you can be both. An atheist does not believe; an agnostic does not know. The gnostic theist claims to know their belief is true. The gnostic atheist claims to know there is no god. There are agnostic atheists and agnostic theists (if they're honest, that's all of them). Regardless of belief, as long as that belief is untestable, it is unfalsifiable, and so agnostic theist or agnostic atheist are the only intellectually defensible positions.

Anyway, I BELIEVE now I have to learn this song.

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